matthew 16:18 greek

To say it can be interpreted only the catholic way is nothing short of blind loyalty. Matthew 16:18 18 And I tell you that you are Peter , b e and on this rock I will build my church , f and the gates of Hades c will not overcome it . Πύλη means “gate or door” 141 and occurs 10 times in the New Testament, with four of those occurrences in Matthew (7:13, 7:14, and 16:18). Of course, this is not the point Matthew intended to make at all: Jesus is declaring that He will build His Church on an immovable foundation, not on a throwing-stone. Darby's English Translation 16:18 And I also, I say unto thee that thou art Peter, and on this rock I will build my assembly, and hades' gates shall not prevail against it. Now, I don’t expect my readers to have a lot of Greek. These days we are starting a lot of what we call “missionary churches” in “the lands of immigration.” These churches are founded to serve converts. Thanks for this. πέτρη, ἡ, a rock, a ledge or shelf of rock, Od. Two different Greek words are employed with two different connotations: . Date: November 21, 2017 Author: Craig Truglia 0 Comments. But if that were the case, why the wordplay on Peter’s name? 200BC by Jewish scholars). Traditionalists (with a capital T) dispute almost everything about it, and would prefer to roll it back entirely and return especially the liturgy to what it was prior (especially an all-Latin liturgy, ad orientem). You mention above in the comments that there were different interpretations of petra in the early Church. The Greek word petra is feminine. But, yes, it’s possible, and maybe even likely, that the anarthrous Petros was to indicate emphasis. Anyhow, much is made of these churches and there is some discussion of what is essential. With this in mind, could it be, “You are an individual rock [petros]/Peter, and upon this (other) fixed rock [tē petra] I will build my ekklēsia”, with the (other) fixed rock being Peter’s earlier confession? Orthodoxy and Matthew 16:18. It’s not exactly clear when Simon was named Peter. 10:12 same as 4:18 This Greek word means "an assembly" or "a group of people called together for a purpose." ‘Chalcedon451’ on my blog was a member of an Oriental Orthodox Church, and he agrees with you, A. The author saying “This scripture cannot be interpreted any other way..” is greatly disturbing & vastly inhibits his credibility. Matthew 16:18(ESV) Verse Thoughts. It would be interesting to have her view. From my recollection (off the top of my head here), the pope really started taking on more and more power by necessity when the Roman government collapsed. Matthew 16:18. σὺ εἶ πέτρος , thou art Peter ) This corresponds with great beauty to the words, Thou art the Christ . How you interpret that (the statement that Peter is the Rock) is up for debate. κἀγὼ [I, emphatically, in response to Peter’s delaration] δέ [and, also, postpositive: together with first word, and I or I also] σοι [2nd person singular dative pronoun, to you] λέγω [(I) say] ὅτι [that] σὺ [2nd person singular nominative pronoun, you, emphatically] εἶ [2nd person singular present active, are] Πέτρος [Peter], καὶ [and] ἐπὶ [preposition on, upon] ταύτῃ [this] τῇ πέτρᾳ [rock] οἰκοδομήσω [first person singular future active I will build, as in building a house] μου [my (lit. Talking to anti-Catholic Protestants about Catholic beliefs is so frustrating — because often, no matter how I state it, they are completely unwilling to accept that Catholics (and Orthodox) don’t “worship” Mary, etc. One of the most salient errors pointed out by these sources is the Protestant claim that that the original Greek of Matthew 16:18 made a lexical distinction between Peter (Greek: petros) and rock (Greek: petra). The use of a demonstrative pronoun does not necessarily exclude the use of an article as it does in English. 16 And the Pharisees and Sad′ducees came, and to test him they asked him to show them a sign from heaven. 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. To use the Matthew 16:18 passage as the be-all of Catholic reliance on Scripture and tradition, ... in Greek, which means literally the community that has been called out). You are overly hung up over whether or not “Peter is the rock”; in both statements, Augustine declares that Peter is the foundation of the Church. Ultimately for the Orthodox it comes down to whether a bishop is in communion with the other bishops. I had the privilege of hearing him speak here in Memphis last year. Briefly, you’re assuming Markan priority, while I’m not. Yes, and the Gospels of Matthew and John present the narrative of Jesus’s life and ministry in dramatically different ways. Now, I’ll go ahead and address your other comments. To this point, note the response of some apparent Jews to Jesus Aramaic cry on the Cross (Mark 15:34)—they misunderstood him as calling Elijah. Is it possible that this is because the referent is the same within the same sentence? But, then again, in John 1:42 we have Jesus saying to him, “You will be called Cephas” upon first calling him (with the narrator defining the term as Petros); however, we don’t know if this means ‘from now on’, or ‘at some point in the future’. I’m sure you are aware of Tertullian and Origen as two who do not align with the RCC interpretation. What Roman Catholics and Protestants (and the Eastern Orthodox) disagree on is what it means for us today. (“Here” being this post. But right off I can’t think of anything I feel inclined to oppose or criticize. All of this, it seems, is an attempt to undermine the traditional interpretation of this text by raising whatever speculative doubt you can. Hades is just another Greek god - the mythological god of the underworld. In 8:14 it could be argued that the article is governing “house” because that’s the main focus, and/or concrete nouns sometimes lack the article in PPs. For petra (rock) is not derived from Peter, but Peter from petra; just as Christ is not called so from the Christian, but the Christian from Christ. I think the opinion still holds that the popes aren’t quite “universal bishops” — which is why they have to call councils to do anything significant. Every step toward reunion in the Body of Christ is a step toward us one again being One. The burgeoning medieval bureaucracy kind of necessitated a monarchical hierarchy, I think. Peter himself explains in 1 Peter the 2nd chapter what Matthew 16:18 means. 2 He answered and said unto them, When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red. on StudyLight.org As I follow no leader save Christ, so I communicate with none but your blessedness, that is with the chair of Peter. The arguments regarding Kepha and petros/petra can go either way. But that modest claim, that Jesus did appoint Peter as chief pastor over His Church (cf. 16:16 – (Simon Peter, not Peter by itself) Do you really think that Matthew — or Mark — invented the name Πέτρος? This is not admitted or discussed, but I will break the taboo here and give you some examples. This is another problem I think ought to be solved. The “spirit of Vatican II” is not actually Vatican II at all — as a reading of the documents confirms, the council was really all about continuity and affirming traditions rather than modernizing them. The word ekklēsia is not strictly designated for the Church—though, of course, here Jesus means precisely that (the article is present, plus the pronoun “My” is used). And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Matthew 16 is the sixteenth chapter in the Gospel of Matthew in the New Testament section of the Christian Bible.Jesus starts his final journey to Jerusalem ministering through Judea.The narrative can be divided into the following subsections: No sign except the Sign of Jonah (16:1-4); Beware of yeast (16:5–12); Peter's confession (16:13–20); Predicting His Death and Resurrection (16:21-26) As I said above, there are no unambiguous cases in the New Testament of the word πέτρος being used as a common noun (“rock”), and every Greek edition I consulted rendered every use as the proper noun Πέτρος. 6 As the Scriptures say. That particular book is a very good introduction. Thanks for this. In any case, I think we’d agree that in 16:16 Petros…petra is paronomasia, but I don’t know if we’d agree on what it may mean exactly. To you shall I give the keys of the kingdom. And this Church, symbolized in its generality, was personified in the Apostle Peter, on account of the primacy of his apostleship. Here it is transliterated into Roman characters: kagō de soi legō hoti su ei Petros, kai epi tautē tē petra oikodomēsō mou tēn ekklēsian, kai pulai hadou ou katischusousin autēs. The point of departure for most people is the Second Vatican Council (1965–1968), a.k.a. 16:18 And I also say unto thee, that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. And one more time, all together: this time cribbed so you can understand it. 17:4 + Are you aware that Augustine, a recognized Doctor by the Catholic Church, changed his mind, as well? Oh btw? I too am woefully ignorant when it comes to the Orthodox church, something I need to work on. of me)] τὴν ἐκκλησίαν [church (lit. Another prominent figure in the church, the late head of a monastery, Father Matthew the Poor, wrote many books, some of which contradicted books written by the Pope. No; I’m not badgering you. Peter was in Rome longer and ended his life there. First, I’d like to say that I like your explanation in the last paragraph above for a possible reason for the use of Πέτρος as a move from the first-declension feminine to the second-declension masculine in order to accommodate the new name for Simon. This is the foundation of our understanding of the papacy. Matt. Or “this king” (Psalm 24:10)? SOME THOUGHTS ON MATTHEW 16:18 by Pastor David Th. Matthew 16:18 AMPC And I tell you, you are Peter [Greek, Petros–a large piece of rock], and on this rock [Greek, petra–a huge rock like Gibraltar] I will build My church, and the gates of Hades (the powers of the infernal region) shall not overpower it [or be strong to its detriment or hold out against it]. All rights reserved. I can only cite the scholarship of others. Could Petros be (lower case) petros, as in “a stone/rock”, an individual rock/stone (no Greek article present, with the English indefinite article supplied in translation), with “Peter” understood as secondary (no Greek article)? Thus a would-be Coptic convert, if she feels her baptism is valid but the Copts are insisting on rebaptism, can convert in one of the other Oriental Orthodox churches, get chrysmated, and then attend her local Coptic church and take communion there. I also might take this discussion in a different direction, away from the various views of St. Peter, because I have some things on my mind and I want to see if they resonate with any of you who have converted into other Apostolic churches. The following is each occurrence of Petros through Matthew 17, with the article noted by + , and its absence by – : 4:18 + with participle (τὸν λεγόμενον Πέτρον [the one called Peter]) John Nolland, The Gospel of Matthew, The New International Greek Testament Commentary [Eerdmans, 2005], 669; Charles L. Quarles, Matthew, Exegetical Guide to the Greek New Testament [B&H, 2017], 320). Contrary to what I said, the word that referred to stone as a monumental building material in the Bible was more commonly λίθος. It did not have an extremely rich or complex vocabulary. But, then again, why wouldn’t Matthew be consistent and use the dative form (Πέτρῳ) of this new name in the “upon this rock” clause? Matthew 16:18 Greek Study Bible (Apostolic / Interlinear) καγὼ δέ σοι λέγω ὅτι σὺ εἶ Πέτρος καὶ ἐπὶ ταύτῃ τῇ πέτρᾳ οἰκοδομήσω μου τὴν ἐκκλησίαν καὶ πύλαι ᾅδου οὐ κατισχύσουσιν αὐτῆς. And, being a carpenter like His earthly father Joseph, it would seem possible He and Joseph knew Greek in order to sell their handiwork to the Greeks. I have never seen this enforced when people did what they wanted and then came back to the church, but I have noticed that when people ask and try to work things out, then the threats get serious. Lest “here” be interpreted any other way. In the thread entitled “How John Calvin Made me a Catholic,” Jason asserted that the “Greek grammar” of Matthew 16:18 does not allow for the interpretation that Peter is the rock upon which the Church was built. Thanks for the comment, David. While Koine Greek continued to evolve in its vocabulary and usage, “Atticist” Greek adhered rigidly to the vocabulary and forms of the classical age. In this case, the definite article is used. But on numerous occasions they put Aramiac on His lips, when He is speaking to the Apostles or to the multitudes. Presumably we can blame your autocorrect for that one , but the fact is that the Greek words here are Πέτρος (Petros, nominative singular) and πέτρᾳ (petra, dative singular), both unmistakably singular nouns that, no, cannot be understood as plurals. Thus, if we assume for the sake of argument Matthean priority, then the analysis must be reconsidered accordingly. You raised a valid criticism of my post, which I addressed. KJV: King James Version And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. The following goes a bit beyond your post, but there is ample evidence that Jesus would have taught in Greek, so one cannot lean too heavily on an Aramaic original. “I am placing a cornerstone in Jerusalem, The reformation was not just about salvation by grace. What confused me in making the above statement is the definition in the LSJ, which give simply “stone”; I did not adequately follow through the references. It was hard to get his books in the rest of Egypt. Yes, we do. Matthew < 16 > * 16:18 Peter’s name, Petros in Greek, is the word for a specific rock or stone. As an Anglican it is quite difficult to dissent from the teaching of the Church, as it is such a broad church that it incorporates everything from people who are just about Calvinists to people like me who consider themselves Catholic. As for criticizing the Church — you’re right, as a new convert, I don’t really feel it’s my place. Once again: Matthew didn’t coin the name Πέτρος. In some ways it seems we may be unintentionally talking past one another. But two separate terms are used in Matthew 16:18 (petros and petra). As I presume you know, the article is sometimes lacking before concrete nouns in preposition phrases, yet, though petra is in a PP, the article is present. When the Evangelists quote Jesus speaking, sure, they put Greek on His lips, because the text itself is in Greek. One (I think awful) holdover we have from an ancient time is that women are not supposed to take communion while menstruating. Also the Coptic Orthodox Church, unlike some of the other Oriental Orthodox Churches, with which it shares communion, officially requires that all converts be rebaptised. I have been digging and researching in the lexica and their references and it appears my statement about the lack of distinction in classical Greek was incorrect. There is no reason to think Jesus was singling Peter out. Rome, of course, has someone with the authority to say that the Orthodox Churches have valid sacraments and orders, even if they are in schism. So when it came to penning Matthew 16:18 — if we assume, for the sake of argument, the Catholic interpretation, that Jesus intended to draw a parallel between “you are Peter” and “on this rock” — he had, perhaps, several choices: Now, to take the opposing viewpoint: Suppose Matthew did intend to create some distinction in his wordplay between Πέτρος, Simon Peter, and πέτρα, the bedrock on which Jesus would build His Church. Under the entry for ΠΈΤΡΟΣ (which is on the same page in both physical books) a distinction is made at the outset, pointing the reader back to ΠΈΤΡΑ for particulars. Thank you — no, don’t apologize. If the Aramaic Kepha simply means “rock”, we must ask why Matthew made his distinction in the Greek; and, it’s for this reason that I don’t think Aramaic is the original here. 37 For information on the form, structure, and authenticity of Matt 16:17-19, see Appendix A.. 38 William Bauer, A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature (BDAG), 3rd ed., rev. Yes, Jesus built the Church on an immovable foundation — this is what He meant, as the context indicates (“and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it”). Second, and more important: the wordplay. The peace of the Lord be with you! I’m not sure what the official Church position is on that today, since the Church hierarchy is pretty well set up under the pope as a supreme head. This passage is more subtle. I have an older ‘little Liddell’ as well as an older ‘middle Liddell’ and while there is a difference between the two under “ΠΕΤΡΑ” (the former is truncated), they each specifically point out a difference between the masculine and feminine, though the latter is more detailed and explicit. And, in fact, as you note, the Hebrew and Aramaic do not have gender distinctions as does the Greek, thus indicating that the distinction here is quite purposeful. Matthew 16:18 I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it. σίαν καὶ πύλαι ᾅδου οὐ κατισχύσουσιν αὐτῆς, ואף אני אמר אליך כי אתה פטרוס ועל הסלע הזה אבנה את קהלתי ושערי שאול לא יגברו עליה׃, ܐܦ ܐܢܐ ܐܡܪ ܐܢܐ ܠܟ ܕܐܢܬ ܗܘ ܟܐܦܐ ܘܥܠ ܗܕܐ ܟܐܦܐ ܐܒܢܝܗ ܠܥܕܬܝ ܘܬܪܥܐ ܕܫܝܘܠ ܠܐ ܢܚܤܢܘܢܗ ܀, ΚΑΤΑ ΜΑΤΘΑΙΟΝ 16:18 Greek NT: Nestle 1904, ΚΑΤΑ ΜΑΤΘΑΙΟΝ 16:18 Greek NT: Westcott and Hort 1881, ΚΑΤΑ ΜΑΤΘΑΙΟΝ 16:18 Greek NT: Westcott and Hort / [NA27 and UBS4 variants], ΚΑΤΑ ΜΑΤΘΑΙΟΝ 16:18 Greek NT: RP Byzantine Majority Text 2005, ΚΑΤΑ ΜΑΤΘΑΙΟΝ 16:18 Greek NT: Greek Orthodox Church, ΚΑΤΑ ΜΑΤΘΑΙΟΝ 16:18 Greek NT: Tischendorf 8th Edition, ΚΑΤΑ ΜΑΤΘΑΙΟΝ 16:18 Greek NT: Scrivener's Textus Receptus 1894, ΚΑΤΑ ΜΑΤΘΑΙΟΝ 16:18 Greek NT: Stephanus Textus Receptus 1550. In Peter, Rocky, we see our attention drawn to the rock. I also tell you that you are Peter,{Peter's name, Petros in Greek, is the word for a specific rock or stone.} I know there is the Coptic Orthodox Church, and the Russian Orthodox Church, and the Greek Orthodox Church, etc. What does it mean to you that Christ made of Peter a foundation stone for the Church? I know the non-Chalcedonian are “Oriental” — but aren’t all Orthodox “Eastern”?) I came into this church in part because I am biculturally Middle Eastern and Western, so these really don’t hold an attraction for me. Thus the textual evidence suggests that Aramaic, not Greek, was the Lord’s everyday language and the language He taught in. Not only are those nouns singular, but Jesus twice, emphatically, refers to Peter with the second person singular pronoun σὺ (su), in both the nominative σὺ and the dative σοι (soi); and He states that Simon is Peter with the second person singular verb form of to be, εἶ (ei). 8:14 – (εἰς τὴν οἰκίαν Πέτρου) Sure, it’s a possibility. I know a lot of really hard-core Reformed are still very anti-Catholic and have a lot of visceral bitterness and anger for the Church and the pope. All rights reserved. I’m glad to have this understanding. Pingback: Saints Peter and Paul: Apostles to the Protestants? But not Peter himself. It is a question worth researching — and a lot of scholarly ink has been spilled on it. Right. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! c. 1611. Matthew 16:18 That is, the realm of the dead; Matthew 16:19 Or will have been; Matthew 16:19 Or will have been; Matthew 16:25 The Greek … So, keeping with this trend, it’s entirely appropriate to render a masculine form for πέτρα as Πέτρος — perhaps entirely naïve to the fact that this would cause so much controversy and debate among non-Greek-speaking Bible scholars almost two millennia later. It was at least as old as the Gospel of Mark and probably older. Let’s look at the Greek, especially of the critical verse 18 (Greek text from NA27; see also, in English, BibleGateway, Bible.CC, New Advent): κἀγὼ δέ σοι λέγω ὅτι σὺ εἶ Πέτρος, καὶ ἐπὶ ταύτῃ τῇ πέτρᾳ οἰκοδομήσω μου τὴν ἐκκλησίαν, καὶ πύλαι ἅδου οὐ κατισχύσουσιν αὐτῆς. One of the Roman Catholic Church’s chief scriptural supports for the authority of St. Peter as the leading Apostle, who would become the bishop of Rome — whom we would eventually refer to as the first pope — is the verses of Matthew 16:17-19: And Jesus answered him, ‘Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah! For instance, even though I was baptized by a priest of the OCA (Orthodox Church in America, which is one of several jurisdictions in the U.S.) I could take communion at a church of the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese or a Russian Orthodox Church, or a large number of other jurisdictions. I should know more about St. Gregory but I’m not an expert, either. This is the way this Scripture has been interpreted since the very earliest biblical commentators: “. Oil on canvas. I stand behind the bishops and the Tradition of the Church completely. So whoever first rendered Peter’s name Κηφᾶς in Greek translation — what Greek word for “stone” did they intend to draw for Peter’s name? And, being a carpenter like His earthly father Joseph, it would seem possible He and Joseph knew Greek in order to sell their handiwork to the Greeks. Read more Share Copy 3,240,Ant. Dropping the article with a proper name does not necessarily mean “a Peter” any more than using the article means “the Peter.” On the other hand, to emphasize that Jesus means “this, the rock” and not merely “this, a rock,” the article is used. 13 When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?” 14 They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.” 15 “But what about you?” he asked. I am still very curious about Orthodox — I have a book sitting on my desk right now, in fact, I’m meaning to read, The Orthodox Church by Timothy Ware. And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the forces of Hades will not overpower it. What do you wish your churches would address theologically that they are not? But there is no evidence in the text. It was called “κοινη” for a reason–that it was the lingua franca of the day. Are you aware that Augustine, a recognized Doctor by the Catholic Church, changed his mind, as well? It could refer to an idea but not a person. This is what is called a demonstrative pronoun, and it’s used for pointing at things — and it can point at people just as well as anything else. That is the rock against which the gates of hell do not prevail.”, —St. I am repeating the very same arguments, and, it seems, you are badgering me. 16:18 says, "κἀγὼ δέ σοι λέγω ὅτι σὺ εἶ Πέτρος καὶ ἐπὶ ταύτῃ τῇ πέτρᾳ οἰκοδομήσω μου τὴν ἐκκλησίαν καὶ πύλαι ᾅδου οὐ κατισχύσουσιν αὐτῆς" (TR-1550 Stephanus) Matthew 16:18 When Jesus uttered these words to Peter, it is the only recorded example where He used the term, “the gates of hell.” What exactly did He mean when He said, “the gates of hell shall not prevail against it”? But in Matt. My words are spoken to the successor of the fisherman, to the disciple of the Cross. It’s very easy, for both Catholics and Protestants, to reduce arguments for the papacy to a caricature (that term “Vicar of Christ” is especially misunderstood), since, it’s true, what is supported by Scripture is a much more modest claim than what we see in the modern papacy. But I don’t know anyone who means to believe that God can change. The question came up over and over, who is He? The conclusion that every man and woman born into the human race has to make at one time or another, is the answer to the eternally significant question, what think ye of Christ, who do you say He is? And if my church wants to do something for converts it should develop some of the theology it needs to address things other churches have already been addressing for a long time, like how to handle marriages with people outside the Coptic Orthodox Church. The question is whether the juxtaposition of Πέτρος and πέτρα is meant to declare that Peter is the immovable foundation on which the Church would be built. Aramaic was not as advanced a language as the other semitic languages. Or “This is my son” (Matthew 3:17)? Thanks for the comment. 15:15 + There is currently a movement to unify all of the American jurisdictions into a single American Church with a single metropolitan, which God willing may take place in my lifetime. Cursory research suggests (see, for example, this comment) that such wording is often used in cases of Semitic sentence structure — which Matthew is almost certainly using here. If people only sit down and talk to each other, I think a lot of the anger will abate. 3 [July 1845], LIX:413–421, at 417). I was ignorant of this whole controversy and the split at Chalcedon. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter - The word “Peter,” in Greek, means “a rock.” It was given to Simon by Christ when he called him to be a disciple, John 1:42. This is confirmed by several commentaries on the Gospel of Matthew (cf. Jerome, To Pope Damasus, Epistle 15:1-2 (A.D. 375), “Number the bishops from the See of Peter itself. But I do remember that, as Ken said, he stepped in and assumed a good bit of temporal power in Rome as the civil authorities collapsed. And in that order of Fathers see who has succeeded whom. Assuming all the html tags are rendered properly, I’ve bolded the relevant portion: ΠΈΤΡΑ, Ion. 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